I totally concur on the differences in the Khans resulting from their different experiences. One should never underestimate how being forced by Marcus into being his pet scientist had to have affected Khan. There he was just exiled for doing what he was made to do, then he wakes up and this crazy-ass Admiral holds his people hostage and forces him to do „tricks“. I don't think a man as powerful as Khan had been and by virtue of his genetically enhanced background always will be, takes kindly to be made feel powerless. Which essentially was happened...
I think that might have also played a role in this „teary eyed“ scene. His pain was real, the concern for his crew was real - the horrible notion that he might fail them and be alone - but the word he spoke were certainly chosen and even where he stood. I think that what makes that scene so haunting and has lots of people even routing for him. That this not being in charge affected him, can probably also be seen in how much he blooms in the film once he gains control. He liked being on top before but I think thanks to Marcus, he know really relishes in it.
As for being alone, he totally was, even if some of the Starfleet people were „nice“ working with John Harrison - they were the enemy to him. As proven by the original space seed episode he is not above caring for non-superhumans - but in this situation ... he probably only looked to use people.
I don't think he really knew Carol closely - if at all they might have met briefly or read reports as they worked in the same field. The admiral probably would have done his best to keep them apart. I do think that Khan migh thave made sure her interest in the torpedoes was there.
My theory on Spock's comment about Khan's parting in genocide of everyone inferior is that knowing how dangerous Khan was, the old Spock lied to his younger self. Make Khan seem like a total monster, so that young!Spock would do whatever necessary. I am sticking to that in my story. Not trying to paint Khan as a nice guy, he certainly kills people who are in his way or to further a plan - but I think he is a leader first and foremost - not an ethic cleanser. He did not want to destroy the Enterprise at the end because he thought of them as inferiors that needed to be removed, they were the only ones left that knew about his crew. By getting rid of them, he would buy time to wake up his crew and then take an account of the situation.
Otherwise that line is just the lamest attempt to paint a grey character black for the final show down.
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I think that might have also played a role in this „teary eyed“ scene. His pain was real, the concern for his crew was real - the horrible notion that he might fail them and be alone - but the word he spoke were certainly chosen and even where he stood. I think that what makes that scene so haunting and has lots of people even routing for him. That this not being in charge affected him, can probably also be seen in how much he blooms in the film once he gains control. He liked being on top before but I think thanks to Marcus, he know really relishes in it.
As for being alone, he totally was, even if some of the Starfleet people were „nice“ working with John Harrison - they were the enemy to him. As proven by the original space seed episode he is not above caring for non-superhumans - but in this situation ... he probably only looked to use people.
I don't think he really knew Carol closely - if at all they might have met briefly or read reports as they worked in the same field. The admiral probably would have done his best to keep them apart. I do think that Khan migh thave made sure her interest in the torpedoes was there.
My theory on Spock's comment about Khan's parting in genocide of everyone inferior is that knowing how dangerous Khan was, the old Spock lied to his younger self. Make Khan seem like a total monster, so that young!Spock would do whatever necessary. I am sticking to that in my story. Not trying to paint Khan as a nice guy, he certainly kills people who are in his way or to further a plan - but I think he is a leader first and foremost - not an ethic cleanser. He did not want to destroy the Enterprise at the end because he thought of them as inferiors that needed to be removed, they were the only ones left that knew about his crew. By getting rid of them, he would buy time to wake up his crew and then take an account of the situation.
Otherwise that line is just the lamest attempt to paint a grey character black for the final show down.